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Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:12:00 - [1] I'll start with: F*** FORUMS!!! ATE MY LONG POST AGAIN!!! -------------------------------------------------------- Zhaine - very true. Deathstar POS + decent fleet = almost impossible to remove. I'd wish only for one thing: sov. POSes shouldnt use any guns (or maybe some small ones as defence against 1-2 hostile BS) so the fleet would be required to defend em. As for your victories TCF - its nothing too special. If you followed forums you should already know that goons could do the same using only t1 frigs/cruisers. Why? Because of borked POS mechanics and its nothing that can be helped atm. (im 100% sure i had sth better to say but after 15 minutes of writing and EVE forums eating my post i cant repeat everything :/)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 13:13:00 - [2] Originally by: Machiavelli7 Ouch Nafri, we feel your pain Fact is, TCF have won plaudits & respect across eve for still being there, one month later, without even asking for help from anyone. How many alliances are they fighting now? Isn't it like 5 or 6? Lag or no lag, if the TCF invasion would have happened in Delve, somehow i think that they wouldn't still be there now. So you saying delve has some magical anti-lag protection? Or maybe POSes explode from time to time?
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 13:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Michra Well, NereSky, I dunno if your alliance really thinks you "ousted" us from anywhere, but in that's the case, you're plain wrong. First, your alliance said "we'll handle you alone, haha, in 3 days you'll be out of Venal"... then you brought in GUARD, RAZOR and the stuff. Still not able to "oust" us from anywhere, and loosing sovereignity of both D7 and HW, you brought in D2, and that's when the real fun began. Nobody will argue here that we're severely outgunned when D2 is here, put everybody in a giang warp disruption bubble and we're BBQed. But when they came and joined the fun, we knew we couldn't hold 2 systems, so we simply abandoned H-W to defend D7. Period. Now that we're defending D7, you're still saying "haha, we'll get you outa here in no time", plus randomly whining about the lag. But hey, both sides are suffering it, none asked for it, and in some way you're the source of it. 1. alt posts are bad mmkay? Use main 2. you actually lack any experience in POS warfare. Any idiot with money can deploy 10 deathstars while system owners are away and then "defend" em with almost no losses (when POS does the kill stuff). Try to be attackers using dreads etc - and then you might say you started to learn sth new. 3. same is for defending in NPC stations. Enemy comes - dock. One enemy on local - undock. It is exactly same as with empire wars and requires almost no skill (except for creating instas to dock... whoa!)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 19/08/2006 14:22:13 Originally by: Iorya Dragon Not realy clueless, but u whine about tactics, u whine about lag when u had the upperhand, so next time u see a topic like this, say what is in the bold of your quote, ppl will respect you more, and u guys wont look life fools.. Did you ever attack POS? With 50-100 defenders? As a part of larger fleet? If no - then you are clueless. Quote: We all suffer from lag... at some point i was able to warp to a pos, see my shield melting, clic warp out a about 1000 time, and finally see my gun reload (forgotten that i clicked reload before warpin). All this without seeing any ship/drone/structure.... Goons were saying same thing. But the ones who suffer mostly are attackers. And the same thing i said to them: lets settle this at some planet in one big battle. Winner takes all.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Iorya Dragon i will not continue to a flame fest, like u live for, i usualy play the game, instead on flaming the forums with your nonsense. Actually im playing game right NOW :)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Michra Anyway, you'd better mention the "game defects" we've abused of, instead of trying to spread rumors. Some lag generating tricks you've been using come to my mind (funny you complain about lag), and you don't see us whining about it. Ok - try and knock down one of our deathstars. Or maybe you dont have balls? When you knock it down while it is defended we can say that we suck. Atm its you who are defending in a corner and all lag helps only your POS.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:46:00 - [7] Ow come on - show what you can. Maybe you will gain... whatsitcalled... ah - experience.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 15:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Kye Kenshin Oh dear! The OMG EVERYONE NAP SUPER BLOB!!! tactic doesnt seem to be working now. Well good. I hate the fact that fights should come down to purely who has the most numbers and im pretty sure TCF would of had the same lag as you guys so you cant complain about it being unfair. Respect to you TCF for sticking it to the man. WTS: clue. Go attack POS - and then come back a little bit more educated.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 15:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Amerame First, you'll have to kick us out of tribute, it's not a done deal yet, second bring it. Don't forget where we came from, and that the core of the TCF pvper LOVE NPC 0.0 fight, we're looking forward fighting you in our terms. You are repeating this like if it was something to be proud of. It is exactly same as empire wars - when you dock and log off as soon as enemy is on local. Pathetic sight to be honest. You try to act as good PvPers but you revert to hide and outblob as soon as you are in NPC region - maybe it is time to change attitude. And yes - OCC/Beagle roaming gangs were much bigger problem than you in Venal (wow once in a week they get 20 ships, go to IMK log there, log back on go to NPC stations).
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Iorya Dragon STOP THE FORUM WARRIORING! You are not the only alliances that atacked a pos for fuk sake. Stop ur stupid propaganda. It so silly...I pitty those who believe the ** u talking about. Guys that dont boder to post here on eve-o, try to not believe every crap u read, by forum warriors alliances. And for the guy that said we are not important, we keep the way it is, and the right ppl know it and feel it, we are not just another alliance in the north...i woudnt be there the way u guys are, even if i am payed for it. Bye! Closing the stupid topic, sorry TCF for flamming on ur topic, but i get **ed when seeing ppl like this. Cya and have fun. Propaganda? Ask other "alliances" who attacked POSes what the results were. If you cant check it ill tell you: nul. RA vs southern alliances? Goons vs D2? All POS bashing attempts were lost. Not because we/they didnt have manpower/ships to do this. But when you throw 30+ capital ships at POS and still cant break it (lag, dreads pop before they can enter siege mode/reppers - check for screenies - they were on forums) then sth surely is broken with game mechanics. But as i see you are in corp that didnt engage any larger POS and never fought in POS wars. So actually what you are saying is bull. Try attacking POS and THEN tell me how much "fun fights" you had.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Roule BoB managed and did perfectly fine when they blob'd EC- If POS bashing attemps fail why are you all in D7-ZAC? Is your leadership that stupid they would take you into an unwinnable battle just for the giggles? If so i suggest you find another corp/ Alliance There were no defenders in EC- if you didnt know this. It was just taking down empty shells - and this is not a prob. After goons left XZH we did the same - removed all POSes without any opossition. But when there IS opposition in system - it suddenly becomes almost impossible.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:29:00 - [12] Ummm: Attack on POS without outblobbing = sure lose Attackign enemy fleet in space without outblobbing - depends on both sides setups/FCs etc. You can not win with smaller force against POS (especially death star). Period. BUT: you can win with smaller force in space if battle doesnt involve fighting at POS. Why? Because POS itself works like invulnerable meat grinding machine. It just locks and pops. In engagements without POS there is so called human factor: some ppl may panic, FC may give wrong orders. Also lag works equally on both sides. At pos? Lag doesnt stop POS from shooting.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Kye Kenshin I've attacked enough POS thanks to know how it works and to know i never want to do it again. Exactly same point here - i dont like POS warfare at all. But sometimes it is necessity. Also you should know that we are on abt 2 month long roadtrip that consists ONLY POS warfare - and this isnt nowhere near "fun" of flying in small gangs.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:46:00 - [14] Quote: You can not win with smaller force against POS (especially death star). hint: small force. Thats why we bring bigger forces :)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Deva Blackfire But when there IS opposition in system - it suddenly becomes almost impossible. TCF fleets have ships with 100% resistances, it is impossible to destroy them. Please stop making fool of yourself. I can tell you how typical fight at POS looks like: dreads are shooting, our BS in warp range. Enemy BS warps to dreads to kill em, we warp in to help dreads: warp to... at 15: 3-5 minutes before my ship moves (whoa i warped! im flyyyying now! now just hope my game doesnt crash on landing cause im toast) lock target: 3-5 minutes (just a while) (locked him! let me kill the primary!) activate gunz: 3-5 minutes (ohh noes - they are warping away before some of us even LOCKED!) lets warp off before POS kills us: 3-5 minutes of... omg omg warp (oh... POS is locking me - how nice, its guns are RED! whoa im on struct now.... still waiting for warp... pop oh - now my friend got locked... pop pop pop Wheeee we warped! My pod is safe!!!) Yes - typical warp in-warp out takes abt 15 minutes most of the time without any results (ie: no enemy kills, some losses from POS). Without lag we would warp in, enemy warps out, we warp out - possibly without loses or maybe one unlucky ship.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 17:03:00 - [16] CCP wont improve hardware nor reinforce the node - i heard this WAY too many times in XZH. So i dont even bother abt petitioning/askign abt it in D7. As for combat - we will see. From time to time some of TCF poses go into reinforced - so sooner or later they might die. Or might not.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 17:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 19/08/2006 17:10:11 Well - im speaking for myself not alliance :) Im just a pilot ;p But still: even if CCP wont help us with hardware - what would you do? Sit and wait for signs from heaven? Or just try again? EDIT: I see moderators in action ;p
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 17:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Roule You are an alliance.....we are a corp, we roam 0.0 looking for a fair fight and roam alot through your former space, if we can out blob you then i suggest you fire your recuiters Fair fight and outblob in one sentence? This doesnt make any sence tbh.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 17:14:00 - [19] And forums eating posts - thats also worth mentioning (lets wait till mods get to this post ;p)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 01:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower no-one is every actually doing anything in S-EV these days. Pretty good - means except for alts the rest of carebears actually moved to D7 :) And yep - Tenal was pretty silent for a while (ok... almost 2 months now) because of XZH and now D7. When we end this i can assure you - i will gladly fight against any roaming parties myself (as soon as i sort out my RL problems too thou). Atm EVE is only an expensive IRC ;p
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 12:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Axia Firehead yes, there is lag, but, we manage to play even with the lag.when we warp with our BS on your dread, how can we shot at them and be abble to warp out after killing them, and you, you cannot?? I have a question. When you warp on dreads do you have some uber popping machine shooting at you? The one you cant hurt, you cant jam? I guess no. We have - its called POS. And IMO - soverignity POSes shouldnt have weapons at all. At least ppl would defend sov. with ships not some stupid automata.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 12:45:00 - [22] Yep shame. Next time think 10x before starting topic like that.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 20/08/2006 14:09:19 Yeah, yeah. LV and ASCN are also around - are they involved too?
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:24:00 - [24] Cant play too much atm so im forum whoring ;p
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 15:52:00 - [25] Originally by: ZePequerio Originally by: Chee TCF diplomacy again not using their brains here. Your attitude only ensures the coalitions hostility to you for another few months to come. Oh my god nooooooo !! Why do you always talk about our diplomacy ? Maybe because this differs EVE from other "hack and slash" MMOs?

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